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rabbott
Posts: 1649
Posted 09:00 Nov 07, 2014 |

Lincoln did a nice job presenting Kosaraju's algorithm to the two sections yesterday. Did you understand it better after his presentation? If so, I have a question for you. Lincoln's presentation covered essentially the same material that was on the videos. Why did you need Lincoln to repeat that material? Why didn't you learn it from the videos? And if you didn't learn it from the videos, why didn't anyone post any questions about it on the forum.

I would have a hard time believing that you didn't understand it enough to post a question. And even if that were the case, why didn't you post a message to that effect?

It is your responsibility to watch the videos and to do your best to understand them. When you don't understand something, please post a question discussing what you don't understand.

One of the important facts about learning is that it requires effort on the part of the learner. As far as I know, we have not solved the problem of how to get students to make the necessary effort. All we as instructors can do is ask you to do so. It is then up to you.

G190852562
Posts: 162
Posted 09:42 Nov 07, 2014 |

Lincoln did a great job at presenting the material. The biggest difference between the videos and Lincoln's presentation was that it was in realtime meaning that we could ask questions right there and then. There is a big difference when an entire class is focusing on particular topic and when students are sporadically watching the videos on their own. That is what is missing from online videos. The interaction is missing when watching the videos. Sure, we have the forum to ask questions but the problem is that sometimes i don't even know what to ask. Yesterday, I asked a question based on the question that another student asked. Again, even if people used the forum to post questions, we are all doing it when we can. Sometimes ill be watching the videos early morning or late at night and I can't expect answers immediately and that uninspires me because I am so focus at that moment and feel like i hit a road block. Even though lincoln did essentially cover the same material as the videos, the difference is that it was in a class setting where all the students are thinking about the same thing at the same time. I think thats the beauty of lecturing in person. Online videos should be supplemental and not the core of the class. I hope the class has more presentations like that in the future. 

 

 

lishenyu
Posts: 103
Posted 10:45 Nov 07, 2014 |

cant agree more with above ! I do watch the videos but the man in the video speaks too fast , for me I really have difficulty understanding him . Though I watched the 3 video two times ,I can only get part of what he says .But lincoln  speaks very well ,

I think most of us will understand what he says

rabbott
Posts: 1649
Posted 12:28 Nov 07, 2014 |

It's interesting that you say this. As you know this class is being taught experimentally to see how well this approach works. 

What I like about it is that students often make use of the class time to work on the material. My guess is that you get a lot more out of working on the material in class with each other than when working on it at home.

Lectures are considered outmoded these days. The problem with them is that for the most part, students just sit and watch (or don't watch) -- and perhaps listen. Often many students don't listen, and many students don't ask questions in lectures. So to a great extent the time is not well used. (I think of time as being well used to the extent that students are thinking actively during that time. Under that criteria, most lecture time is not well used. And by the way, taking notes does not count as thinking!)

So here's a possibility. How about watching the videos and identifying the parts that give you trouble. (And don't say the whole thing!) Let us know what those parts are (by posting to the forum), and we can go over those parts in class.

Please do your best to pin point where your confusion lies. That will help us decide what to focus on. (Also, you will often find that by identifying the areas of confusion you can clarify the issue by yourself.)

The forum posts are important because they give us a chance to decide how to present the material. For example, I prepared the image that Lincoln used between the two sections. The first section didn't see that image -- although you can now look at it on the wiki page. For the first section Lincoln worked from Roughgarden's slides. In this case the particular slide was quite confusing. So seeing a presentation based on a clearer graphic probably helped. But the only reason I created the image was because I knew in advance we would talk about it in the second section!

I would also guess that if you hadn't seen the videos and hadn't at least found that you were confused by how Kosaraju's algorithm works, you wouldn't have paid as much attention to Lincoln. Your confusion was motivation that would have been lacking had the algorithm just been part of a standard lecture.

Last edited by rabbott at 12:52 Nov 07, 2014.
rabbott
Posts: 1649
Posted 12:50 Nov 07, 2014 |

P.S. If Roughgarden speaks too fast for you, you can slow him down to 75% of normal speed by clicking the "-" at the bottom left. (You can also speed him up. I usually watch at 125%.)

Last edited by rabbott at 10:36 Nov 08, 2014.
vsluong4
Posts: 87
Posted 10:05 Nov 08, 2014 |

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Hey professor Abbott, you showed up in one of the cs101 videos!

 

And if this is an experiment and we're the guinea pigs, where's the control group?

Last edited by vsluong4 at 21:28 Nov 08, 2014.